Table of Contents
- Key Highlights
- Introduction
- How exercise changes blood volume and circulation
- Hydration: the single most controllable factor
- Exercise intensity and timing: why the 24-hour rule exists
- Iron stores, hemoglobin and recurring donors
- Communication with phlebotomists and screening questions
- Post-donation recovery: what to do and what to avoid
- Practical pre-donation checklist for athletes and regular donors
- Special considerations for different populations
- How donation affects athletic performance—what the evidence suggests
- Addressing common myths and misconceptions
- Planning donations as part of a training calendar
- When to consult a clinician
- Real-world scenarios and decision-making
- Safety statistics and risk management (what donors should understand)
- Policy and variability across centers and countries
- Practical tips for seamless donation and minimal training disruption
- Ethical and social perspective: balancing altruism and self-care
- FAQ
Key Highlights
- Vigorous exercise can transiently reduce circulating blood volume and increase risk of fainting or prolonged recovery; avoid high-intensity workouts for 24 hours before donation.
- Hydration and iron status are the two most actionable factors: drink extra fluids in the 24–48 hours before donation and prioritize iron-rich foods or supplements if you donate frequently.
- Communicate recent activity to the phlebotomist, plan training and events around donation (48–72 hours recommended before competitions), and follow a simple pre/post-donation checklist to minimize reactions.
Introduction
Deciding whether to train before giving blood isn’t a matter of simple permission or prohibition. Exercise changes heart rate, blood distribution, hydration and iron balance—each relevant to the safety and comfort of blood donors. For the recreational athlete who wants to keep to a training schedule, for the weekend warrior donating on a whim, and for the multi-event competitor who also gives blood regularly, understanding the physiological trade-offs can prevent lightheadedness, delayed recovery and impaired athletic performance.
This article explains how different types of exercise affect donation, what to do in the hours and days before and after giving blood, how iron and hydration shape donor eligibility and recovery, and practical rules of thumb athletes and regular donors can use to plan safely. The guidance reflects commonly applied standards at donation centers and the physiology underlying circulation, hydration and erythrocyte turnover—so you can give safely and keep training where possible.
How exercise changes blood volume and circulation
Physical activity provokes rapid, coordinated changes across the cardiovascular system. When muscles contract, blood flow is redistributed to working tissue, skin blood flow increases for cooling, and venous return alters to maintain cardiac output. These shifts matter for blood donation in three ways:
- Effective circulating volume is temporarily altered. Even if total body fluid hasn’t dropped dramatically, blood that would otherwise pool centrally may be preferentially serving muscles or skin. That relative redistribution can make a donor more prone to post-donation hypotension or lightheadedness.
- Intense exercise increases heart rate and may leave you fatigued or dizzy—symptoms that can compound the effect of the blood volume removed during donation.
- Sweating and fluid losses during exercise thicken plasma and reduce venous filling, making venipuncture slightly more difficult and increasing the risk of an adverse reaction after the donation.
Clinically relevant takeaway: vigorous workouts immediately before donating amplify the same mechanisms that cause fainting or dizziness after blood loss. The combination of recent exertion plus the roughly 450–500 mL removed in a standard whole-blood donation shifts the balance away from hemodynamic stability.
Hydration: the single most controllable factor
Hydration status has the clearest, quickest effect on how a donation will feel.
Why hydration matters
- Plasma volume determines how “full” your veins look during needle insertion and how rapidly your cardiovascular system can compensate for the removed blood.
- Dehydration raises blood viscosity, increasing draw time and discomfort.
- Dehydrated donors report more lightheadedness or weakness after donation.
Practical hydration rules
- Begin increasing fluid intake 24–48 hours before the appointment. Aim for regular water consumption through the day, not a single large volume immediately before donation.
- Include an electrolyte-containing beverage if you expect heavy sweating in the days prior (long training sessions, hot weather). Sodium and potassium help retain fluid and restore plasma volume more effectively than water alone.
- Avoid excessive caffeine and alcohol in the 24 hours before donation; both promote fluid loss and can accentuate post-donation symptoms.
Real-world application A cyclist training in summer who logs long rides multiple days per week should treat the 48 hours before a donation as recovery days from a hydration standpoint: scheduled easy rides, purposeful fluid and electrolyte intake, and fewer sessions that provoke heavy sweating.
Exercise intensity and timing: why the 24-hour rule exists
Donation centers and clinical guidance commonly recommend avoiding strenuous activity for at least 24 hours before giving blood. That advice rests on practical physiology.
What “strenuous” means
- High-intensity interval training (HIIT), maximal strength sessions or long endurance sessions that produce prolonged tachycardia, heavy sweating, or significant muscle damage.
- Activities that leave you profoundly fatigued, lightheaded or short of breath.
Why 24 hours?
- Most acute cardiovascular and fluid shifts from vigorous exercise normalize over 24 hours with adequate hydration and rest.
- Muscle damage and inflammatory signals from intense sessions peak in the first 24–48 hours; adding a blood donation during that window increases the chance of fatigue and delayed recovery.
- For competitive athletes, even when a center accepts the donation, performance can be impaired for 24–72 hours depending on the event and the amount of training load removed.
When light activity is acceptable
- Gentle walking, yoga, light mobility work and easy cycling are generally safe within hours of donation, provided you feel stable and hydrated.
- If you’re planning a demanding session the same day, postpone donation.
Scheduling strategy for athletes
- Avoid major training sessions, maximal lifts or long threshold runs 24–48 hours before donation.
- If a competition is imminent, schedule donation at least 48–72 hours before the event—or better, plan donation during a recovery block.
- If you must donate prior to a race, choose early-season races or lower-priority events rather than priming for a peak performance.
Iron stores, hemoglobin and recurring donors
Iron is central to the donation story because hemoglobin—the red blood cell protein that carries oxygen—depends on iron. Blood donation extracts iron with the red cells, and repeated donations without adequate repletion can lead to iron deficiency.
How donation affects iron stores
- A single whole-blood donation removes roughly 200–250 mg of elemental iron because each unit contains a substantial number of red blood cells.
- The body restores circulating blood volume within hours to days through plasma replacement, but rebuilding red blood cells and replenishing iron stores takes weeks to months if dietary intake is insufficient.
Who is most at risk
- Premenopausal women due to menstrual iron losses.
- Frequent whole-blood donors (often defined as more than two donations in six months).
- Endurance athletes, especially runners, who lose iron through hemolysis (red cell damage from repetitive foot impact), sweat, and gastrointestinal bleeding under heavy training loads.
Screening and hemoglobin
- Most donation centers perform a hemoglobin or hematocrit check via fingerstick before accepting a donor. A common threshold for donation is a minimum hemoglobin around 12.5 g/dL (specific standards vary by center and country).
- Passing the hemoglobin screen ensures immediate safety for donation but does not guarantee adequate long-term iron stores. Ferritin measures the stored iron and is more informative for chronic iron status, though it is not routinely tested at most public donation centers.
Managing iron proactively
- Diet: emphasize heme iron sources (red meat, poultry, fish) and pair plant-based iron sources (legumes, spinach, fortified cereals) with vitamin C to enhance absorption.
- Supplements: short courses of oral iron can restore stores faster; many donor organizations recommend iron supplementation for frequent donors or those with low ferritin. Consult a healthcare provider before starting iron tablets.
- Monitoring: if you donate frequently or train heavily, ask your healthcare provider or the donation center whether ferritin testing is appropriate.
Real-world example An amateur marathoner who donates blood every two months without adjusting diet or supplementing may see a gradual fall in ferritin and develop exercise intolerance. Targeted ferritin screening and brief iron supplementation can prevent performance decline and protect health.
Communication with phlebotomists and screening questions
Be transparent with donation staff about your recent activity and general health. They ask questions to minimize risk to you and to recipients.
Key points to tell staff
- Exact timing and intensity of your last workout. If you finished a long ride three hours before arrival, mention it.
- Unusual symptoms such as dizziness, chest pain, unusual shortness of breath, or prolonged fatigue.
- Recent illnesses, travel, medications, or vaccinations that might affect eligibility.
- Pregnancy, breastfeeding, or recent significant blood loss.
Why this matters
- Phlebotomists can delay or reschedule a donation if they feel recent exercise has left a donor at increased risk.
- Screening protects donors from vasovagal reactions and ensures donated blood meets safety standards.
What to expect at the center
- A fingerstick hemoglobin test and a short health questionnaire.
- Staff monitoring for adverse symptoms immediately after the donation; you will typically rest for 10–15 minutes with fluids and a snack.
- Clear instructions about activity for the remainder of the day.
Post-donation recovery: what to do and what to avoid
Immediate post-donation care reduces adverse events and speeds physiological recovery.
Immediate steps
- Rest seated for 10–15 minutes. Eat a carbohydrate- and iron-containing snack supplied by most centers.
- Drink an additional 500–1000 mL of fluid over the next few hours.
- Keep pressure on the puncture site for several minutes; avoid elevating heavy loads with that arm for the rest of the day.
Activity restrictions
- Avoid heavy lifting, contact sports and high-intensity exercise for the remainder of the day. Many donors can resume moderate activity the next day if they feel well.
- If you experience dizziness, palpitations, or prolonged fatigue, refrain from exercise until symptoms resolve.
- For competitive athletes, avoid key training sessions or events for at least 48 hours and consider extending to 72 hours depending on how you feel.
Nutrition and iron
- Prioritize meals containing iron and vitamin C to support erythropoiesis.
- If you have low ferritin or donate frequently, discuss an iron supplement regimen with a clinician.
Signs that require attention
- Persistent bleeding from the venipuncture site.
- Fainting with injury.
- Prolonged dizziness, shortness of breath or chest pain—seek medical care.
Practical pre-donation checklist for athletes and regular donors
A practical routine reduces the chance of an adverse reaction and keeps performance interruptions minimal.
72–48 hours before donation
- Shift heavy training to earlier in the week or schedule a reduced session to avoid high cumulative fatigue.
- Increase daily fluid intake and monitor urine color—aim for pale, straw-colored urine as a general hydration indicator.
- Include an iron-rich meal daily and consider a vitamin C–rich fruit.
24 hours before donation
- No high-intensity intervals, heavy strength sessions, or long endurance efforts.
- Avoid alcohol and minimize excessive caffeine.
- Sleep at least 7–8 hours; poor sleep makes vasovagal reactions more likely.
Day of donation (morning)
- Eat a balanced meal within a few hours of the donation; include protein and carbohydrates.
- Continue sipping water; bring an electrolyte drink if you tend to sweat heavily.
- Bring ID and any required paperwork; be ready to report recent exercise.
Immediately after donation
- Sit quietly, drink fluids and have a snack.
- Wait at least 30–60 minutes before any non-essential activity; follow center instructions.
- If you feel fine, keep activities light for the rest of the day.
72 hours after donation
- Monitor performance signals during training; reduce intensity if pacing or perceived exertion is higher than normal.
- Consider delaying maximal testing or competition if you feel any weakness or reduced endurance.
Special considerations for different populations
Different groups face unique challenges when combining regular training with blood donation.
Endurance athletes
- Higher baseline risk of iron depletion due to hemolysis from repetitive impact, sweat losses and gastrointestinal microbleeds.
- More likely to benefit from periodic ferritin testing and targeted iron supplementation.
- Plan donations outside tapering windows and avoid donating close to race day.
Strength athletes and powerlifters
- Loss of one unit of blood reduces oxygen-carrying capacity transiently but may have a smaller immediate performance impact on short, highly anaerobic efforts than on endurance activities.
- Avoid maximal lifts for 24–48 hours after donation to reduce risk of fainting or injury.
Women who menstruate
- Menstrual iron loss plus donation raises the risk of iron deficiency. Spacing donations and focusing on iron intake is essential.
- Consider ferritin testing if donating more than twice in six months.
Older adults
- Older donors often tolerate donation well but should be screened for cardiovascular disease and anemia. Discuss any cardiac history with the donation center or a physician.
Adolescents and new donors
- Younger donors can be more prone to vasovagal reactions. Donation centers that accept minors often follow additional safeguards: close monitoring, mandatory rest and snacks, and sometimes lower hemoglobin thresholds for acceptance.
Pregnancy and postpartum
- Pregnancy excludes donation; postpartum donors typically must wait a designated period (often six weeks or per local guidelines) and meet hemoglobin criteria before donating.
Medication and health conditions
- Certain medications and medical histories can disqualify a donor temporarily or permanently. Be transparent about all prescriptions and over-the-counter medications during screening.
How donation affects athletic performance—what the evidence suggests
Research on blood donation and athletic performance has focused largely on endurance capacity, with several consistent findings:
- Aerobic performance measured by maximal oxygen uptake (VO2max) or time trial performance often declines after whole-blood donation, especially in the first 24–72 hours. The size of the effect depends on the individual’s baseline fitness, iron status, and the type of test.
- Hemoglobin and hematocrit fall immediately after donation, reducing the oxygen-carrying capacity of blood. Most people recover plasma volume within 24–48 hours, while erythropoietic recovery (the production of new red blood cells) takes weeks without supplementation.
- Athletes with adequate iron stores recover performance more quickly. Those with low ferritin before donation may suffer larger and longer-lasting performance decrements.
Evidence-based takeaway
- Recreational athletes can usually continue training with minimal disruption if they avoid hard efforts for 24–48 hours and prioritize nutrition and hydration.
- Competitive endurance athletes should avoid donation in the immediate lead-up to key events and consider ferritin monitoring if they donate more than once or twice per year.
Addressing common myths and misconceptions
Myth: “A light workout before donating is always fine.” Reality: Light activity is often acceptable, but “light” is relative. If you’re fatigued or dehydrated from a workout, donation will feel worse.
Myth: “Donating blood will permanently harm my athletic performance.” Reality: Whole-blood donation causes transient reductions in oxygen-carrying capacity and can affect performance until red cell mass recovers over weeks to months. Regular donors who monitor iron and adjust training can maintain performance.
Myth: “I can just drink a lot of water right before donating and be fine.” Reality: Last-minute water intake helps but does not replace the benefits of steady hydration over 24–48 hours. Also, overdrinking immediately before can cause gastric discomfort. Pair pre-donation fluids with a balanced meal and electrolyte intake if needed.
Myth: “If my hemoglobin is okay, my iron is fine.” Reality: Hemoglobin indicates immediate suitability for donation, but ferritin reflects iron stores. Donors can have normal hemoglobin yet low ferritin and be at risk of iron deficiency with repeated donations.
Planning donations as part of a training calendar
If you train regularly, integrate donation into your periodized plan.
Suggested approaches
- Schedule donations during planned recovery weeks or low-intensity training blocks. This minimizes the impact on key training phases and race performance.
- For multiple donations per year, space them to align with base-building or off-season periods rather than competition peaking.
- Monitor subjective training metrics (perceived exertion, heart rate response, sleep quality) after donation. Use those signals to decide whether to push intensity.
Example annual plan for a recreational marathoner
- Off-season (autumn/winter): schedule a donation in an easy month with shorter runs and lower volume.
- Build phase: avoid donation in a high-volume week.
- Taper: avoid donation during the taper and race week; aim for donation at least three weeks before a key race if possible.
When to consult a clinician
Talk with a healthcare provider if:
- You donate frequently and want ferritin testing.
- You feel prolonged fatigue, breathlessness or unexplained performance decline after donation.
- You are considering iron supplements due to low ferritin or frequent donations.
- You have chronic medical conditions such as cardiovascular disease, anemia, or a bleeding disorder.
A clinician can order the appropriate blood tests (complete blood count, ferritin) and recommend a tailored supplementation or training modification plan.
Real-world scenarios and decision-making
Scenario 1: Weekend warrior with an early-morning HIIT class and a midday donation appointment
- Decision: Reschedule either the workout or the donation. If rescheduling is impossible, skip the workout and hydrate; err on the side of caution.
Scenario 2: Triathlete planning a donation two weeks before a half-iron distance race
- Decision: Prefer to delay donation until after the race or schedule it at least 3–4 weeks prior while increasing iron intake and monitoring response in training. Better yet, donate during an off-week.
Scenario 3: Frequent donors who train daily
- Decision: Track ferritin annually or more frequently, increase dietary iron, and consider short-term iron supplementation after donations. Space donations to allow iron repletion.
These scenarios illustrate that the right call depends on training goals, timing and individual physiology.
Safety statistics and risk management (what donors should understand)
Most blood donations proceed without major incident. A small proportion of donors experience mild adverse reactions such as lightheadedness, nausea or sweating. Fainting (syncope) is less common but more likely in donors who are dehydrated, haven’t eaten, or have recently exercised vigorously.
Donor centers mitigate risk by:
- Pre-donation screening questions and hemoglobin testing.
- Observational periods post-donation.
- Educating donors about hydration and activity restrictions.
Donors who follow pre-donation hydration, avoid high-intensity exercise before donating, and rest after donation significantly reduce their risk of adverse reactions.
Policy and variability across centers and countries
Donation criteria and recommended waiting periods vary somewhat between organizations and countries. Typical differences include:
- Minimum hemoglobin or hematocrit thresholds.
- Intervals between donations (for whole-blood, 8 weeks or 56 days is common in many countries).
- Requirements regarding tattoos, travel, medications and recent illnesses.
Always consult the local blood service’s guidance before scheduling. When in doubt, contact the donation center to ask about fitness-related concerns and timing.
Practical tips for seamless donation and minimal training disruption
- Book appointments during periods of lower training priority.
- Eat a balanced meal 2–4 hours before donation. Include carbohydrates and a modest amount of protein; a small iron-rich snack immediately before donation is fine.
- Keep a small emergency kit after donation: water bottle, electrolyte drink, bandage, and a light snack.
- For frequent donors, develop a simple iron-repletion protocol with a healthcare provider and monitor ferritin annually.
- If you faint during donation, report it immediately; phlebotomists are trained to manage vasovagal events and will document the reaction.
Ethical and social perspective: balancing altruism and self-care
Donating blood is a valuable civic contribution that saves lives. Balancing that with personal health protects donors and ensures a sustainable donor pool. When donors take straightforward precautions—hydration, scheduling around training, and honest communication with staff—they maximize benefit to recipients while minimizing personal risk.
Donor organizations support return donors with education and resources; professional athletes or frequent donors should leverage these resources and maintain an open dialogue with clinicians and donation staff.
FAQ
Q: Can I work out the day I donate blood?
A: Gentle activity such as walking or light mobility work is typically fine after donation, but avoid vigorous or high-intensity training for the remainder of the day. Many donors wait 24 hours before resuming normal training intensity; competitive athletes often extend this to 48–72 hours.
Q: How long should I avoid strenuous exercise before donating?
A: Avoid strenuous exercise for at least 24 hours before donation. Longer avoidance (48 hours) is prudent if you expect heavy sweating, high fatigue, or are preparing for an important athletic event.
Q: Will a single whole-blood donation hurt my athletic performance?
A: It can cause a measurable but usually temporary reduction in aerobic performance—most pronounced in the first 24–72 hours. Severity depends on iron status, fitness level, and the type of activity. Strength and short anaerobic efforts are less affected than prolonged endurance efforts.
Q: How much blood is removed during a donation?
A: Standard whole-blood donations remove roughly one pint (about 450–500 mL). Plasma volume recovers within hours to days, but red cell mass and iron stores take longer to rebuild.
Q: Should I take iron supplements after donating?
A: Frequent donors or those with low ferritin benefit from targeted iron supplementation under medical guidance. If you donate rarely and have a balanced diet, supplements may not be necessary. Ask your healthcare provider about testing ferritin to guide supplementation.
Q: Does hydration immediately before donation suffice?
A: Acute hydration helps but is less effective than steady hydration over the preceding 24–48 hours. Maintain regular fluid intake in the days before you donate and include electrolytes if you’ve been sweating heavily.
Q: Can I donate if I had a hard workout earlier in the week?
A: Yes, if the workout was low-moderate intensity and you feel well, hydrated and your hemoglobin meets the donation criteria. Avoid donation if you still feel fatigued, dizzy or sore from the session.
Q: What should I eat before donating?
A: Eat a balanced meal 2–4 hours before donation with carbohydrates, protein and iron-rich components where possible. Examples: lean meat and rice, a chickpea salad with citrus, or fortified cereal with milk and fruit.
Q: When should athletes schedule donations around competitions?
A: Aim to donate outside of key competition windows. If donating is unavoidable, schedule it at least 48–72 hours before competition and consider ferritin monitoring and iron repletion beforehand.
Q: Who should consult a doctor before donating?
A: Anyone with cardiovascular disease, anemia, chronic medical conditions, or frequent donors with symptoms of iron deficiency should consult a healthcare provider. Also seek advice before starting iron supplements.
Q: How can I minimize the chance of fainting?
A: Hydrate adequately, eat before donating, avoid vigorous exercise immediately prior, and remain seated and rested for 10–15 minutes after donation. Report any lightheadedness promptly.
Q: Are there differences in rules between donation centers?
A: Yes. Hemoglobin thresholds, intervals between donations, and disqualification rules vary by country and organization. Check your local blood service for specific guidance.
Q: Is it safe for people who exercise regularly to donate?
A: Yes, with reasonable precautions. Regular exercisers should plan donation timing, maintain good iron and hydration strategies, and monitor their response after donation.
Q: How long until my iron and hemoglobin return to baseline?
A: Hemoglobin can take several weeks to a few months to fully recover depending on iron intake and individual physiology. Iron stores (ferritin) recover over an even longer period without supplementation. Frequent donors may need targeted supplementation to accelerate recovery.
Q: Should I avoid donating if I feel muscle soreness from training?
A: If soreness is mild and you feel otherwise well, donation is usually acceptable. If soreness is severe, or accompanied by excessive fatigue or feeling unwell, delay donation until you’ve recovered.
Q: Do donation centers test ferritin?
A: Not routinely. Most centers measure hemoglobin at the time of donation. If you are a frequent donor or have symptoms of iron deficiency, ask a clinician about ferritin testing.
Q: What is the best timeline if I want to donate and then race?
A: Ideally, donate after the race. If donation must occur beforehand, allow at least 48–72 hours, ensure optimal hydration and iron status, and plan lower-intensity training until you confirm you feel fully recovered.
Q: Can young people and adolescents donate and exercise normally afterward?
A: Adolescent donors may be more susceptible to vasovagal reactions. Centers often have specific safeguards for young donors, and the same advice—adequate hydration, rest, and avoiding strenuous activity the rest of the day—applies.
Q: Will donating blood cause long-term anemia?
A: Not in most donors who follow recommended donation intervals and maintain adequate dietary iron. Long-term anemia is preventable with proper screening and iron management. Frequent donors should monitor ferritin and hemoglobin levels.
Q: Are there benefits to donating blood beyond helping others?
A: Many donors report psychological benefits from contributing to community health. Donation centers also provide occasional health checks (hemoglobin screening) that can identify anemia. However, donation is not a substitute for medical care or fitness interventions.
Q: What if I faint after donation—what happens next?
A: Phlebotomists are trained to manage vasovagal events. They will assist you to a safe position, provide fluids and snacks, and monitor until you recover. If fainting led to injury or persists, seek medical attention.
Q: How can I plan donations if I train daily and compete regularly?
A: Space donations during recovery blocks, monitor ferritin, work with a clinician on iron repletion strategies, and avoid donations in the immediate pre-competition phase.
Q: If I feel fine after donating, is it safe to do a moderate workout the next day?
A: Generally yes, if you feel rested, hydrated and your training metrics (heart rate, perceived exertion) are normal. Start conservatively and increase intensity only if you respond well.
Q: Is platelet or plasma donation different from whole-blood donation regarding exercise?
A: Platelet and plasma donations remove different components and have different recovery profiles. Plasma donors often tolerate donation well and may resume activity sooner; platelet donations require different intervals and may involve longer chair time. Check local guidance for activity recommendations after component donations.
Q: What is the simplest routine to follow before donating?
A: Hydrate well across 24–48 hours, avoid heavy exercise for 24 hours, eat a balanced meal, and be honest with staff about recent activity. Rest and hydrate after donation.
Q: How can I check my iron status?
A: Ask your primary care clinician for a ferritin and complete blood count (CBC). Ferritin indicates iron stores; CBC shows hemoglobin and red cell indices. These tests guide supplementation and donation frequency decisions.
Q: Can I donate blood if I am anemic?
A: No. Donation centers screen hemoglobin before donations, and a low hemoglobin test will disqualify you until levels recover. Address the cause of anemia with a clinician.
Q: If I donate often, are there supplements or foods that help faster recovery?
A: Iron supplements under medical supervision accelerate recovery. Foods rich in heme iron (red meat, fish) are most bioavailable; plant iron can be boosted with vitamin C. Combining diet modifications with rest and reduced training load during the recovery window accelerates return to baseline.
Q: What final steps should I take after donation to return to training smoothly?
A: Rehydrate, eat iron- and nutrient-rich meals, rest for at least the rest of the day, plan lighter training for 24–72 hours, and track subjective and objective performance markers. If you notice persistent decline, consult a clinician for ferritin testing.